ABOUT
Ancestral Cult is an organisation created by Varg Vikernes and Marie Cachet, in order to revive the ancient European philosophy and religion. Our aim is to reconstruct the lost European culture, and create the opportunity for Europeans to learn more about their own culture, but also to have access to entertainment related to their morals, their beliefs, and their philosophy.
This website is divided into several categories or pages that will guide you to various sites integrated into the organisation.
Atala – Articles by Marie Cachet
Books – Books by Varg Vikernes
Burzum – Music by Varg Vikernes
ForeBears – A film by Marie Cachet and Varg Vikernes
Myfarog – A Roleplaying Game by Varg Vikernes
SHOP – Here can you order the ForeBears film
The ways of Yore – To restore an instinctive and creative learning
Thulean Perspective – Articles by Varg Vikernes
Visual Art – Illustrations by Marie Cachet
CONTACT
VARG VIKERNES – fremmedehenvendelser@gmail.com
MARIE CACHET – marie.cachet@gmail.com
I am currently thinking about buying the SRAS book and would like to ask a few questions (to Varg or someone who bought the book already) before if you allow.
First I wanted to know if you can recommend the SRAS Amazon Kindle Edition. If the book should contain graphics or pictures (I don’t know) they would be obviously lacking in the Kindle Edition, so that would not be so nice. For a few reasons I would otherwise prefer the Kindle Edition.
Second I wanted to know if you can recommend the book in general to someone who doesn’t have a lot of preknowledge about the topic.
It containes pictures. Buy the book, even if it is your first approach to this subject. You will learn a lot, without doubt.
Ah, ok, so there are pictures. Then when I buy it I will have to buy the actual book 🙂 Thanks for the reply!
What are the first steps I can take to help revive European culture?
Educate yourself and those you hold dear regarding the work of the Jews and their many means to destroy us (Christianity, Capitalism, Feminism, Communism, etc.).
Varg, do you know where the nordic cross of the nordic flaggs originally comes from?
Christianity. The Christianized Danes were the first to use it and the other Nordic countries later adopted the same design.
I can add that the Danish flag is the oldest national flag in the world, dating from the 13th century.
The most commonly used flag in pre-Christian Scandinavia (I don’t know about Finland) was to my knowledge a black or yellow flag with a yellow or black raven.
Hm, thanks. I was wondering because in germany the christians alsways try to capture all kinds of european symbols. Back then when I was catholic I was told that for an example that the cross potent or the iron cross where of christian origin and because I detected that everything I was told about such actually wasn’t true the look of the nordic cross made me warily.
I don’t know if we even used any national flags in Finland as we pretty much were scattered tribes with similar languges/dialects. but if you care to know I think that swans and bears would been weared or held as signs…
There will always be morons who want attention, just don’t give it to them as he said. Focus on ideology. I really don’t believe that stupid people make good music, everything is a joke to them. Burzum, Blood of Kingu, Hate Forest, and Drudkh are at the top in my opinion. Not surprisingly, the last three are all by the same person. Quality over quantity.
Yeah, you are right. Drudkh is one of my favorite bands, with Burzum, Hate Forest and Heldentum. Good to find somebody else likes those Slavic bands, every once in a while I find fellows like you who do. Greets!
Wir sind ein Volk.
Greetings from Russia! Thank you Mr. Vikernes for your work! The all eastern-slavic nations are with white Europe. It is very important to remeber it today. New generation of the russian national-socialists, nationalists and just conservatives consider the Russian Civilization only as part of Europe. Slavic and Germanic peoples must forget their past conflicts, we must be together today!
From Chelaybinsk, The South Ural Mountains.
Absolutely! I agree with you 100%!
Greetings from Germany. In school I was always told about how evil we butchered each other in the great war and no words about hundreds of years of friendship before and that because of this we should in fact really wonder how and why it broke up.
But I’ve never been a sheep-character, so I searched for the truth by myself and these days I see Russia as one of the greatest bastions of european spirit.
To Russia with love
It was a communist propaganda, nothing more. You must have heard about the Russian collaborators, veterans of the Russian White movement, who fought on the side of the Reich,and many other Russian people who fought with the Germans against the Communist invaders, however, the relationships between them and the Nazi authorities were not the best, but they certainly fought for the same ideals, and in the end they had the same enemies, for example the anti-russian Soviet Union government. In my opinion, the Eastern Campaign was a great tragedy, and major victory of our enemies. This was not so called the “Great Patriotic War”, it was a fratricidal war. Relations between our nations have been both friendly and strained, but we were living in the same civilizational and economic space (eg the Pskov and Novgorod republics, which before they were joined by the Grand Duchy of Moscow, held close ties with the Hansa or the last Tsars of the dynasty of the Romanovs had in fact German origin etc.) I believe that our main task – to put an end to senseless enmity between white native peoples of Europe. Never trust an anti-German rhetoric from anyone else in our country. All our adequate nationalists are always ready to cooperate with the German white brothers.
Good luck to you and your countrymen!
I don’t know if this is really important to your overall mission. But I would love to hear your thoughts and see how you would articulate your views on the current trend of Orthodox Satanism in Black Metal over the last several years, as these theistic Satanist idiots are leading much of the youth of Europe (those into “extreme metal” anyway) to further revere Jewish mysticism and occult texts that only lend more legitimacy to the supposed existence of Judeo-Christian mythology. Reading the lyrics of these bands makes it clear they spend more time with Kabbalah and the Torah and the Bible than with Bathory albums. Instead of using this music to fight AGAINST this Jew-based idiotology, they are making it seem “cool” to the people listening to it and going completely against what it used to be. Granted, I doubt you give a rat’s ass about the current state of Black Metal, but whereas it seemed older musicians were very anti-Christian, even if the Satanism was all image, there was a real hatred for this Jew b.s. and all that it stood for. Now, instead of burning churches and talking about how Christianity must be eradicated, these musicians and their sheeplike fans are taking a literal approach and acting as if the Judeo-Christian comsology is all real and that they have FAITH and BELIEF in Satan and all of this. It’s really disgusting. My thoughts here are not well articulated, for that I apologize. But if you happen to be familiar with this at all, with these newer bands like Watain, Deathspell Omega, Ofermod and on and on, they’re undercover Jews hiding in Black Metal clothing and spreading the total opposite message to those that look up to them.
So I left “black metal” behind in order not to help promote them or their Jewish ideas, and I will not give them any more attention than I absolutely have to. Igore them. Promote good bands with a good ideology instead.
But, what about bands like Absurd, Heldentum, Maanegarm or Drudkh? I mean, they don’t promote “Satanic” ideas, they are not reactionary to Christianity so to speak. Are they different for you?
Wir sind ein Volk.
Yes.
What do you think of them exactly?
Hello Varg! how do you criticize greek nationalism or the neo-nazi group Golden Dawn?
Hail Brother
I have blue eyes & brown hair. Yet my sister has dark blonde hair and light brown eyes. My wife has light brown hair & eyes, yet her mother has blonde hair & blue eyes. The point we are all of European heritage. Lets use this site for positive ideas and a brighter future. Don’t get stuck on these ideas. The European soul resides within us all. Forget your external appearance. Search within!
Excactly Mr. Dale.
What good is it to be as fair as a light elf if your mind and spirit has been corrupted?
What we look like is one thing, but what we think and communicate is also an expression of our genes. So if we think “fair thoughts” we are fair within, and then it is not our alien but our European genes that dominate our minds.
Fair folks can have their minds dminated by their non-European genes just like even the darkest South Europeans can have their minds dominated by their European genes.
It’s probaply off topic, but I haven’t found another page where I could post this in a public environment to you, (now it’s of course kind of weird to expect an answer from the author of the site, as this is not a forum of some sort, but still, both of you, mr. Vikernes and Ms. Cachet, put quite some effort in answering random questions [and I and a lot of other persons appreciate this].) but I had a question regarding my country, The Netherlands. Now, I don’t know how far your knowlegde goes regarding this country, and as I don’t recall you have written very much about it, I kindly ask an open opinion about it.
Furthermore, the common Dutch man laughs at nationalism and frowns when he experiences national (let alone european) feelings, traditions, honour and so forth among others. He can be proud of his Republican Golden Age (16th to 17th century AD), which has been partly led by Jews who had high positions as regents or/and where part of the staff of the VOC (and perhaps the WIC, this I don’t know for sure). Also this man is ashamed of the history of slave trading. He is of course barely interested in the Dark-Ages, because in the Netherlands these were basically (ecspecially in Middle- and Late Dark Ages) just boring times. Too make this (already too) long story short: the Dutch, who are squished toghether with too many non-European foreigners and their influences on us in a too tiny country, have no idea what they have to do or even what they are (i.e. many just don’t know what being ‘Dutch’ is, let alone what Germanic/(Gallo)Roman/Celtic/European is. I would like to hear what you have to say about this.
Of course, there’s a lot more to say, and each country has of course its own problems of this sort regarding the revaluation of European history, traditions and religion. But sometimes my country(men) in particular seem very helpless, because the most of the Dutch despise most of what they did, what they were. And this proces started from the end of WOII (and in some ways even before that). I’m not even sure I want to raise my children in such a overcrowded environment where I grew up in. But I also don’t want to be a simple refugee, who flees his own country because it’s totally taken over by multiculture.
I Do have European feelings and pride, but just not Dutch pride. I also don’t know what being Dutch is.
I thank you for your time.
Gegroet!
You just prove how massive the “anti-European” campaign is, when they even make it hard for us to find any reason to be proud of our countries.
There is much to be said about this, but I will not say anything else here, but argue that you need to take your own fate in your own hands these days. Educate yourself and find a reason to be proud. If not of Holland, then maybe of the tribes that lived there before it was called Holland.
I can add that the Dutch who basically ruined the Netherlands by allowing mass-immigration, i. e. our parent generation, are themselves now fleeing your country en masse, to the French countryside, to Norway and elsewhere too, where they purchase wonderful and tranquil mansions in all-white rural areas. They made life in Holland unbearable, by turning Holland into a cramped immigrant ghetto, and then rather than fix it they fled and left Holland for those who are too young and too poor to afford the move. So, these egotistical traitors ruined your country, then left it for the young to fix. That really pisses me off!
The same can be said about many Englishmen in our parent generation. They cannot stand life in England anymore, because there are so many immigrants and because of that so much crime and other shit, so they move to France (mostly), where they buy beautiful mansions in the all-white French countryside. Pardon my language but fuck them!
I agree with you. I have been studying my own country as well as european history for a year or so and it is very enlightening. I will keep studying and perhaps (at least I hope) I’ll become an archaeologist and try to contribute in our knowlegde of ancient Europe (and before) and support ‘alternative’ (i.e., not commonly approved) hypotheses that make more sense to me than ‘approved’ hypotheses (or perhaps even come up with new ones, who knows?).
At last, I want to say just how beautiful your country is, nature-speaking. I really enjoyed my trip there, although I have never come any further than the far south of Norway, I cannot wait to go again. My esthetics-meters really went crazy there, you should understand, dutch nature is nihil, and keeps getting worse because they keep building and building. And of course, now I understand why so many of my countrymen flee to Norway, you really have you’re own space there. I for instance live on a ‘Dutch rural area’. In other words I still live with 30-45 other families on one square kilometer. Furthermore, I thank you for your honest reply and greatly respect you for that (and of course all the other great stuff that you have done, do, and will do)
A good starting point might be this wikipedia article which suggests the different movements of european people at certain times: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period
From there you can easily trace back the Germanic tribes movement to Holland (and the movements leading up to the Germanic before it). What happened after that should not really be all that interesting. So far so good. But then watch out to read between the lines (who ever may have written them I don’t know). Especially words like the following, actually the whole article section on “Barbarian identity”, worries me:
“Modernists argue that the uniqueness perceived by specific groups was based on common political and economic interests, rather than biological or racial distinctions.”
These modernists (whoever they are) suggest that a people in such hard times would actually happily ignore their biological family ancestry because of some temporary economic opportunity. Yeah right. I would even partially agree to that (else we would not be here today) but at the same time argue strongly against it, in that most of the individuals of these times FIRST AND FOREMOST would probably want to make sure to keep close to one another in their kin because of their biological attributes (“you look like me and act like me, so I can trust you, and you won’t have my wife”), especially when threatened or attacked from the outside. Or, they fight the external attackers until death, and die if necessary. Just like the natural racial behaviour you see in our animal world.
I would suggest that when you do a research, you better take that in mind, else you could get the impression that all our ancient european tribes were extremely primitive animals, happy to give up all their habits, virtues and religions in one go, just for some short-term politicial opportunities with foreign (jewish/christian/arab) nations. It makes christianity (and capitalism) look like a superior way of life. Don’t fall into this trap. What happened between our own folk (different tribes fighting in skirmishes, trading or compromising) is not really important, we used to fight a lot 🙂 but it is all about keeping the roots clean of outside influences. Sadly it took me almost 30 years to figure that out!
Oh yes, the entertainment industry is bad enough. Here in the US, it gets even worse. Right now, we’re all being reminded daily of how we all must bow our heads and give praise on the upcoming “high holy day” of January 21st – Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. Years ago, it used to be that only the day itself got recognition. But in the past few years it’s been stretched out to envelop nearly the whole month. Every day we hear or read about some “great accomplishment” achieved by the “wonderful” Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr. He’s practically regarded as a saint at this point. And his name is always said just like that – “Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr.” They never fail to get the “doctor” in there. “Doctor” of what, I still don’t know.
And it gets even better! After this, February is “Black History Month”, where we get bombarded yet again with all the wonderful “accomplishments” and “contributions” and “rich culture” of this oh so noble and esteemed race.
So basically, the first two months of every year – at least in America – is given over to non-stop negro worship and praise. (Which, really, is only slightly more than the whole rest of the year anyway, as even a cursory glance at the media will tell you)
They can try to make us loathe and hate ourselves all they like, but it’s not going to work forever!
I am from Canada, and I know too well what you mean my friend. Turn off your TV! Useless garbage I tell you. European pride shall prevail!
Oh, I absolutely agree Nick! Nothing but garbage. If only TV were the sole problem! But we’re hit with this propaganda no matter where we are – the schools, the workplace, even just out on the street! Billboards, bus stop adverts, etc. Nowhere is safe.
All the more reason that European peoples everywhere need to stick together and fight the enemies!
H I live on the East coast in NJ USA and boy I was soooo lonely (not lonesome) I have been following Varg, through the introduction of Lords of Chaos .It such a relief that their are others in this shit hole who see and feel everyday where my heart lies. Burzum org to Atala and now this wonderful new site ! Thank Varg and Marie for bringing us all together
Hail
Exactly like Vargas said. Don’t worry about it. The point of my comment was that despite all their tricks We still wake up! I was raised in Australia. Which has a strong Christian culture but it never felt right to me. My grandfather and father rejected christian ways early in their lives. But found nothing else. Little signs hints & meanings are all around us once you open the gate there’s no way anyone can close it again. In regards to hair & eyes like Varg said we’re all mixed to some extent lets not get hung up on it. The path is ever forward. Self loathing is just another way to keep us down!
Yes! And they do everything they can to make us loathe ourselves. In Sweden Jews recently even tried to ban the use of blonde actors in commercials (in Sweden!). We are only allowed to loathe ourselves, to think we are terrible, stupid, weak and worthless, and their entertainment industry is feeding this fire very, very actively. This is an important part of their psychological warfare and to a large extent what makes us (i. e. our parent generation) tolerate what they do. “We deserve it. Whites have treated everyone else so badly. Remember the Holocaust!” et cetera et cetera. Whenever a “coloured” person achieves something it is all over the news, but when a European achieves soemthing it is like “Ah… so what?” We hear all the time about how good sense of rythm Negores have, or how much “dignity” the Negro women have when they walk, how much more beautiful tanned skin is, how rich and interesting other cultures are, and so forth. They don’t even think so themselves, they just say it to make Europeans feel bad about themselves.
When this recoils on them they are really going to feel it.
Thank you Varg for all articles concerning jews. I always spread them through my family, friends and forums where I found jews involved in misinformation.
Thank you. What you do is no less important.
I’m of Anglo Saxon heritage. Yet I was given a Jewish name, had a Jewish circumsion performed on me and was brainwashed with Judeo Christian teachings. Growing up I was ashamed because I was a barbarian with no culture. Thank Woden for a site like this so today’s sons & daughters of Europe won’t grow up with the same thoughts in their heads.
I would be interested in how you (or others) deal with the situation that was basically forced upon you (and your parents and grandparents, ..) with even physical violence (the circumsision).
For example, I am european and I have dark-blonde hair and green-brown eyes (50%-50% I would say) and on top of that I am not religious because I despised Christian faith even as a 6-year-old and there wasn’t any alternative shown to me in childhood, and also I’m not 100% aware of my heritage. In my case it is partially a Celtic heritage, but I don’t know much about the rest, because people have totally forgotten. I think in Norway for example it would be easier to detect traces of your heritage (it is more “pure”).
I am in other words worried how my other fellow “european-at-the-core-but-slightly-racemixed” people who are not 100% stable in their lifes deal with this. I mean if you are not stable and you take the argument too far, then the only result is basically a depression or even suicide. And I don’t think suicide exists in a Pagan belief or Pagan society system (why would it?). So, how can we live a healthy life, including (not ignoring) the small (but not ignorable) traces of foreign alien cultures in our bodies and souls?
Don’t worry about that. If your hands are filthy you simply wash them. If your mind is soiled by alien ideas and thoughts you wash this too. As simple as that. Your blood can also be washed, although only through race hygiene and only over the course of generations — but still. Again; don’t worry. Be proud of your European heritage and your mind strong enough to recognize it’s roots and true belonging. I’d say that alone shows how pure your mind is already.
Go visit Newgrange in the meanwhile, or some other fantastic Pagan site in the Celtic areas of Europe. Enjoy your heritage!
Thank you Varg, that is quite encouraging to me and I’m sure also to others. By the way I found that you mention “Halstatt” in your Paganism Part 2 article. It is actually called “Hallstatt” (eg. “Hall Site” or “Hall City”) and is indeed located in Austria and is a very special place. Newgrange I will check out, it is even much much older.
Sorry about that misspelling, but I probably had no notes and just wrote “on memory”.
Thank you for your support, and don’t worry about whatever they did to you. Your Anglo-Saxons heritage repel such attacks without any problem, and is as intact as that of any other Anglo-Saxon.
Their intent was to destroy you as an Anglo-Saxon man, of course, but ywhat you say is enough for the rest of us to see that they have failed miserably. Like they failed with their attempt to destryo Europe!
Hail Wodan!
Hey, all of these makes me wonder one thing… Especially what you said about blood wash, how much alien blood is acceptable to have at the very top to ve considered European? To this I can add another question, just thinking about the German Nazis who had some Jewish blood but still fought for the das deutsche Volk, what do you (Varg and others) about them?
It is something that bugs me sometimes, like it happens to SP. Pretty much because when I analyze myself I see European features, my arms, legs, body complexion, even my “soul”, values, attitudes, morality… but I have dark hair and eyers (not Neanderthal genes). I know many people, even in Europe, excuse themselves calling it “Southern European”, which is true… those features come from that part. And I know I have a big Spaniard ancestry, but saying “Southern Spaniard” is just another term for “Mongrelized Spaniard”, right? So, now, getting into a serious question (I know we are among comrades so I see anything wrong about being blunt), the fact I am not 100% European (although all my ancesty comes geographically from Europe) should mean I have no right to fight for the ones I feel as my family?
I trust your answers.
If you look at European philosophy and rituals, instinctive morality is actually the most important, but often it follows the others so-called “more visible genes”, it is therefore the blonde and blue-eyed people are often said to be “naive. “
Yes, I truly understand that. Even my old sister (who is green eyed and red hair) is half of naïve as me (and believe me, for what we have lived I should be as naïve as Kissinger). Still I KNOW and BELIEVE the physical looking is very important, that why it is called “WHITE race”, right? Still I find myself sometimes in that knot, do I have the right to fight? Not want to look as I am looking for somebody to say “Yeah, don’t feel bad, cheer up!”, I know I can find blunt people here.
Thank you Mr. Vikernes and Mrs. Vikernes for making this website… it’s hard to be pagan in LA, constantly surrounded by so-called “minorities” that hate me for basically just being European (finding other blonde-haired and blue-eyed folk around here is like finding a damn leprechaun… and finding anyone that is “aware” seems to be impossible)
I’ve read all of the articles on Burzum.org and a lot of the writings on Atala as well… I’m still somewhat new to discovering the magnitude of the Jewish war on Europe, and I intend to read about this as much as possible. I’ve always felt a warmth for Europe and the European people, even before being “woken up”, and never felt like I belonged except when I visited Europe. I don’t think it’s possible to “wake up” my family due to their “assimilation” and because of the fact that we were all raised with an (unhealthy) Christian perspective, so it’s really nice to be able to converse with and relate to like-minded people… LA is like the asshole of the planet earth.
A question regarding the linked blogg about oil and nuklear weapons: Isn’t it more usual to blame the jews for having invented the A-bomb instead of denying it’s existence? I don’t speak French, so…
There are many elements that suggest the nuclear weapon may not exist. I have not (yet) found specific sources in English. I think it is interesting to pose the question, because this weapon is an indisputable way to terrorize people.
Hail, Varg & Marie!
Congratulations on the beautiful new site!
My wife and I have been following Varg’s writings for quite some time now (I personally have been a fan of Burzum since the 90s), so imagine our excitement upon finding the new link to Ancestral Cult. We’ve been so busy devouring everything on AC that we haven’t had a chance to write in and comment 🙂
This is such a wonderful, exciting, and much-needed arrow in our quiver. Our enemies are legion, and we need all the ammunition we can get to ensure our victory. This is especially needed here in the US, where it seems we’ve forsaken our roots and culture even more thoroughly than our European brethren.
In these times,nothing less than the future and survival of our people is at stake – we feel that deeply, instinctively. I hope that Ancestral Cult can serve as a catalyst for all Europeans everywhere to band together and celebrate our history, our culture, our heritage – our glorious people!
Thank you both so very much for providing this place, and for all your hard work and dedication. We are deeply grateful!
Thank you.
I also think that the Brazilians should stop mixing with other races to keep our indigenous culture. The problem is that many foreigners invaded our country and took advantage of our resources, so I understand the concept that you are broadcasting to the people of you, to keep their roots. Each race should keep their culture and protect it to keep us strong. But unfortunately our country was invaded and also became weak. I suppose I should not even write here or invade the space of you, I apologize for that. But it is very clever and brilliant to see two people truly free and decontaminated by this system that rules the world today as Catholicism we both stole our gold and enslaved Indians. We would also like Brazilians that foreigners do not invade the Amazon. Congratulations!
No, you’re welcome here, I think we agree with you, every people at home with their own rules, and no “globalization” of ideas or resources. This does not mean any communication, but clear and informed minds. Good luck!
And sometimes the place were you were born doesn’t mean that you are less European. I think being European is more related to the genetic, the culture and traditions than the geographical location. I’m Brazilian, but I feel I’m European because of my genetic, my traditions, my values, my culture and my philosophy. My ancestors were from Germany, Italy and Portugal, and in the region were I live (the South, the coldest region – not as cold as Europe, obviously) there are many people who keep our traditions and our race alive. Yes, we have a serious problem in Brazil because of the race-mixing and ‘culture-mixing’ that is turn the population more week, dumb and ugly, even here were I live (it’s so difficult to find beautiful, inteligent and honorable people, but lobotomized goats…). Even I could be considered an “invasor”: the real landowners of Brazil are the Native Indian people. If I have opportunities I would return to my real homeland.
You are right.
Yes, place of birth is not relevant. Genetics is all that matters. “Europa ist kein Geographischer, sondern ein Blutmässig bedingter Geriff.” (A. H.)
Thank you, Marie! Sorry, did not mean to offend L.Brixner the descendants of Europeans, for I am the granddaughter of indian with German, I also believe that the lands South of our country belong to you because you are the cultivated. Although I know many German friends and enjoy their culture, especially music, I like to think that Europeans maintain their traditions, but I’m sad to see that the vast majority does not care.
Alessandra, you are totally right about the foreing invasion of Amazon. There are many capitalists interests behind it (we know the people behind it…). I’m not offended, you are right defending your culture and traditions, that are threatened by the so called ‘modern and civilized’ world. We can coexist respecting and preserving each culture/race in our lands, “each on his lawn”. Boa sorte, e continue defendendo aquilo em que você acredita!
I can assure you we have grown a huge load of trees over here in europe and it is of very good quality (ever heard of the “Deutsche Eiche”, ie. the “German Oak” ?) Why we would sail to foreign shores, the foreign Amazon Woods to chop all the trees and exploiting the local people there, is really beyond me.. It is really a shame. It must have something to do with greedy bastards running our businesses but this does not represent our people.
Also I guess Norway has enough oil to support probably the whole of Europe for a long time but I’m not 100% sure about that 🙂
SP, I don’t know if I undestand totally your point (english is not my first language) but I never accused Europeans (if your reply is about mine). The people behind the deforestation, the animal traffic and all kinds of resource stoles certainly weren’t Europeans. I know that my (our) folk would never do such greedy things, but we know that greedy is one of the main atributes of another folk…
LBrixner: no no, I wasn’t trying to defend Europeans with my comment at all. But actually the opposite. I am actually criticizing some European businesses for importing so much wood and soy from south america (so much soy is used for animal food, to produce our meat). But what these businesses do is not the true european way of living. We have enough wood and we should have alternative means to produce food. It is just greedy people doing it.
It was just a misunderstood. I totally agree with you about the true European way of living. The European business might not be owned by Europeans, but by the ‘Greedy Ones’, as I said earlier. Their avidity has no limits… Let’s enjoy the Ancestral Cult and learn more about our heritage 🙂
Marie and Varg, thanks a lot for this new project of yours! Great work indeed! I also feel very enthusiastic about it and would like to share some links with you via e-mail!
Takk Varg for Да здравствует Россия! 🙂
From Russia with love!
J.H.
17, Canada here. I’d also love to get to know people from this blog, and its an honor to be able to comverse with people whom have similar views on so many things, im excited for the future of this, of Varg and Maries future projects, and the future of our homeland Europe! Im very interested in learning where some of you all live, and what its like there? Particularily those of you living in Europe, for I’ll be living there in the very near future and leaving (thankfully) North America for good.
Thanks for the quick answer, I can see your point with Kierkegaard. About Nietzsche I disagree with you and therefor I would like to know wich of his books you have read or wich you refer to.
And I know about Gaahl, but my question was ment more like if you think their music is exemplary nordic or more wannabe?
I am not sure, but I think it was in particular “Human, all too human”.
I think this book can`t bee seen as representative for Nietzsches work, because he commented on his early works later on as beeing to strongly influenced by Schopenhauer and therefor, as you said, to nihilistic. He wrote so in “Götzendämmerung”, which is is one of his latest books and his later ones are those who formed the term “nietzscheanism” mainly. And in this creative phase his purpose is to crush the judeo-christian morality and all other nihilistic moralitys who paved the way for the christians (of course he is also against Bolsheviks) and to overcome the personal nihilism by the power of instinct. A good example for this is his famous “Antichrist” for which he was later criticised as an anti-semite.
I find it by the way a bit confusing that you judged about his “Will to power” concept, which comes from his “Also sprach Zarathustra”, which is a few years younger than “Human, all too human”.
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Anti-semitic example:
“Die Juden, sind ebendamit, das verhängnisvollste Volk der Weltgeschichte: in ihrer Nachwirkung haben sie die Menschheit dermaßen falsch gemacht, daß heute noch der Christ antijüdisch fühlen kann, ohne sich als die letzte jüdische Konsequenz zu verstehn.”
which I would translate to:
The jews are, because of that, the most fateful people in world history: their aftermath includes that they made mankind that much insincere, that the christ can feel anti-jewish today, without realising himself as the last jewish consequence.
(From “Der Antichrist”)
Hello thank you for the answer.
First, yes, Nietzsche was anti-Semitic, but for me, this is not a major argument. It is a good thing, but the fact that a philosopher is anti-Semitic does not mean that his philosophy is right. We must be able to remain critical. More especially concerning Nietzsche, who was also anti-Christian, anti-Pagan, anti-all concepts as a concept, I do not think this is a very heavy argument. I’ll try to be brief, but still explain my opinion clearly.
Either the philosophy of Nietzsche is not logical (but it would be another and long debate) or it is fundamentally contrary to the classical European philosophy (e.g. the well-known philosophy of Plato, which is another name for the pagan philosophy and religion).
The fact that he destroys Christian morality (which is, in many ways, one of the “positive” side of « Christianity ») is not a good thing, and this morality, which is at the origin deeply European (the jews are NOT moral, the morality is stolen from the Egyptian mythology), stems directly from the classical concept of metaphysics that he refuses.
Nietzsche replaces the Platonic (and Kierkegaardian, for example) concept of metaphysics by his « Will to Power ». The Platonic and European concept of metaphysics suppose there is a supersensible Truth, or, more exactly, a Harmony. The concept of Will to Power by Nietzsche assumes that things are becoming, and it is this fact that things are becoming which is confused with a so-called supersensible world or a so-called Harmony. In fact, things are becoming aimlessly, and the world is chaos.
Yes, he is also suggesting that the Will to Power can be creative.
BUT.
Either he is a perfect nihilist, or he is not a nihilist at all. Either the Will to Power is purely chaotic, or it is creative, and then it joins the platonic Thymos.
If there is Creation, there is project of Creation, and it is then a metaphysical concept.
If Nietzsche is a perfect nihilist, his philosophy is devastating. It is not illogical, but it is like a mental anarchy, and excluded at the same time the European deeply instinctive feelings of attraction towards the Harmony (which is a pure metaphysical concept), just as they can be hungry or thirsty. Europeans did not need a book such as the Bible to follow a moral, and this is why to destroy Christianity BECAUSE OF its morality has no meaning. Morality in Christianity, is the expression of a deep feeling, it is not directly a law (originally, I mean, in the pagan religion, such as the Egyptian which the so-called Christian law directly comes from). The European individual is good, and if he does not lie, it is not because of the fact that he is intellectualizing the situation, but because he has « a conscience ».
Morality for morality is absurd, we agree, but in Europe the writed « law » is an expression of the felt « moral », and not the contrary.
If Nietzsche is a perfect nihilist perfect, he destroys metaphysics, and therefore philosophy, and replaces it with an avant-garde psychology. The « Will to Power » could then be another name for the self conscious and unconscious ego in Freud. So, No thank you…
If Nietzsche is not a perfect nihilist, then he is not nihilist at all, because the idea of a creative Will to Power is the same as a positive Creation, that is to say, a concept what is Creation, and therefore a metaphysical concept.
Hello Marie,
being the wife of Siegfried I followed this discussion about Nietzsche. I have to admit that I don’t understand where you got your interpretation of Nietzsches philosophy from, but it differs clearly from those many books written by Nietzsche that I read since I was 15 years old. It is as if you would talk about a different person and a different philosophy. The main reason why I became a Pagan was Nietzsche, he was the first one showing me a way which was in accordance to my instincts; as I read the articles of Varg the first time I deeply recognized that he was describing the same thing that I had found in Nietzsche, it was clear for me that Paganism was the way I have been searching for all the time. I guess there must be a huge misunderstanding. The only difference between Pagan and Nietzschean ethics is, that Nietzsche focuses on individuals who couldn’t find a wife to reproduce (honestly, how many good women are left there in Europe?). Nietzsche is a restless wanderer, hoping for the good Europeans not to become such restless wanderers like him.
Furthermore I simply cannot understand what you are talking about when describing “Christian morality”, calling it “Pagan morality”. I don’t know how Christians are like in France; but here, in Germany, Christianity means SUFFERING WITH THE WEAK (id est “get more asylum seekers into Europe!”) and TURN THE OTHER CHEEK (id est “forgive and pray to god instead of killing this paedophile Jewish priest who abused your child!”). These two thing are simply everything what Christianity here consists of and these two things are deeply nihilistic. Nietzsches whole philosophy is about teaching people CONTEMPT FOR WEAKNESS and EXTERMINATING SICKNESS.
Concerning the Will to Power: This concept is not a kind of Jewish materialistic will to become the leader of the world (the Jews love to tell people such trash), but the strong inner will of every European to genetically and intellectually improve in this life and in all his other lifes.
Apart from that: Keep up the good work. It is not that important to know what Nietzsche wrote down as long as we all do have the same values, ethics and purposes.
Hello,
Yes, we agree on the fact that the story of loving everyone and to reach the other cheek to the one that strikes us is an absurdity of Christianity. I never said otherwise. However, this is not the whole morality (of Christianity or other). There is also moral uprightness in life, stoicism, and the absence of malice (justice is not malice, even if it can kill), and these concepts are deeply pagan, and related to metaphysical concepts, if not, they are indefensible. Paganism has a concept of God. Jews DON’T (just an evil one, but…).
I NEVER said that the Will to power was a desire to control the world. I said it could instead be a kind of Platonic Thymos (will). You must have misread me. I read Nietzsche several years ago, and I do not have his books with me, so I can not give precise references, unfortunately, but I would like to know your opinion on the Will to power in relation to the presence or absence of metaphysics in Nietzsches philosophy (compared to eg the Platonnic philosophy, and to concepts of Truth and Harmony). For me, and not just for me, it is clear that Nietzsche rejected these concepts. I could be wrong, but in this case I would like to know where I’m wrong and why.
It is clear that Nietzsche was against Plato, ans the Platonic philosophy is, in my opinion, another side to the pagan religion.
He wrote for example “Plato is a coward in the face of reality — consequently he flees into the ideal”. I think it summarizes his point of view and what I was denouncing in the previous comment.
He also said “Christianity is Platonism for the masses”. To be pagan IS NOT to not have GOD (concept, it means, to have divine concepts).
Maybe you should read this; http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/paganism20.shtml?
Nietzsche has some good points, but he is more anti-Christian than he is pro-Pagan (in fact he is no less anti-Pagan than he is anti-Christian), and many of the moral values he attacks Christianity for are actually purely Pagan moral values, that you will e. g. not find anywhere in Judaism (which is as we know the origin of Christianity). He certainly threw out the baby with the bath water.
Some examples of Pagan moral values/virtues in Christianity; honesty, loyalty, reliability, justice and kindness.
The fact that some of these values/virtues are some times understood slightly differently in the two religions changes nothing. Pagans are moral because of their sense of honour. Christians because they fear “God”.
Nihilism is purely Jewish, so Nietzsche advocates Jewishness (unintentionally perhaps, but still).
Hello Marie and Varg,
Thank you both for your replies. Unfortunately, I’m busy with working on a presentation about the Viking Age these days. At university we were told that the Vikings were Pirates, attacking Lindisfarne etc. because of greed and envy (yes, I’m bloody serious) and therefore I felt the need to show my fellow students that they were not. I’ll answer you detailed at the weekend.
Hilsen
Do you think moral is logical, Ms. Cachet? It’s a good thing of course, because a society cannot exist if people keep betraying each other, but is it something absolute? I mean, it is not really possible to “prove” moral, and different cultures often have (slightly, but not very much I think) different morals.
Nietzsche blamed Platon for distroying paganism, because he poisoned it with metaphysics. So, to clear this discourse: How is honour metaphysical and also (because you said so on Burzum.org) how are stoics pagan?
I mean, the word “metaphysic” is illogical by itself.
Plato poisoned paganism with metaphysics? (!) But the philosophy of Plato (and other ancient philosophies), and paganism are ONE and the same thing. I believe that where there is an error, is that, like many modern thinker, Nietzsche probably employed the word “pagan” with the modern definition of “non-believer”, that is to say, `” non-Christian “. This definition is obviously a well-known aberration of Christianity, which was well pleasing to the nihilistic Nietzsche, but that has nothing to do with paganism.
Is it Plato (400BC) who poisoned paganism with a so-called Christian metaphysics or is it Nietzsche (1850) who uses the word “pagan” in the Christian way (meaning “non-believer”, “non-Christian”)?.
Plato’s philosophy is a rewrite of European/Egyptian beliefs, in a more scientific way, (precisely because in this part of the world, the paganism was beginning to lose its true substance…)
Now, why is it honor a metaphysical concept? Because, how do you justify honor other than with metaphysics?
What do you think? That the pagans believed in nothing and followed many rituals ( that would have been in this case superstitions) without purpose?
Paganism is very different from the barbaric image that Christians have formed of it…
I will try to clear it all by one question: How do you define metaphysics?
The immaterial origin or reason of physical things or acts. The concepts (harmony, truth, beauty, etc..). The world of the Ideas in Plato’s philosophy.
Everything what we see, feel and know is material. And yes, those “things that we cannot explain” are material, too, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to feel or know them! Concepts like beauty and honour are also material, they are in our BLOOD and we get them through our genes. That’s the main reason why such abilities and feelings can often be found in one and the same family over and over again (but it doesn’t always get inherited in every single member of the family, of course). Such abilities get lost due to making children with people whose genes are not close to the own ones (the higher the concentration of these genes, the more likely will they be dominant). So, the difference between you and Nietzsche is:
– Those things, what you and Varg tend to call “metaphysical”, surely do exist. But they are clearly PHYSICAL. There is no paralleluniverse with “ideas” or “places”; this information is deep IN US, not outside of us. Every “metaphysical” ritual is there to explore the information which is hidden in yourself. There is no kind of telepathy with other “dimensions” or whatever. Nietzsche understood this and he clearly says that the things, what people call “metaphysics”, “intention” or “INSTINCT” (like I do) are existent, but they are IN US, and he calls this “will to power”. If you want to read something deeply “metaphysical” from Nietzsche, so take “Thus spoke Zarathustra”.
– With rejecting everything immaterial (id est things which don’t exist, because “existence” is physical, sorry but we cannot even think or feel a single thing without matter) he closes all the gates for those Jewish bastards which go around and tell people “I have experienced Jesus, I know that he exists because I felt him so deep”. Just look at what metaphysics is in philosophy! There are more metaphysicians than Plato and nearly all of them are Christians! Telling people things about immaterial worlds open the gates for Christians to come and tell people things like “in that immaterial world is Jesus and he sees everything what you do, and also hell and heaven are there. I never experienced this, but believe me, I know that this is true because I feel inside!”. That’s the reason why Plato destroyed Paganism: he opened this metaphysical gate so that later on people already had those weird ideas about an immaterial world. The Christians only had to tell them that this world doesn’t only consist of ideas and concepts, but also of heaven and hell, Satan and God.
Paganism was there before Plato existed. There is a reason why we get taught about Socrates, Plato and Aristoteles, but not about the other hundreds of Greek philosophers before them.
Morality is in our genes, even chimps do have social behaviour (for more information: Frans de Waal). Why do we have this sense of honour? It is obvious that we wouldn’t be able to survive in such harsh climates if we would betray each other all the time or generally be egoistic. The southern races do survive although they betray each other because they don’t have such harsh climates like we do. It’s simply easier to breed and survive in warm climates. Since the southern people began race mixing, their whole morality got weird. Just take a look at their sexual morality; they began to behave more and more like Middle Easteners and Negroes, because their Europeans Genes don’t dominate in that extend over their Non-Europeans genes. I’m saying this although I am a Serb myself, because it is true. (of course Northern Europeans also began to behave like Negroes, but not in that extend. In Germany, everyone is americanised and still they don’t behave like Americans because they are not race mixed to that extend like the Americans).
(To the other Southern Europeans here: of course not every South European behaves like the majority of the South Europeans. If it was so, there wouldn’t be any honourable people in the South anymore.)
Varg:
“Some examples of Pagan moral values/virtues in Christianity; honesty, loyalty, reliability, justice and kindness.”
These values are deeply pagan, that’s true. But they are not and never have been Christian ones. There are no honest Christians because they always want people believe the same sh*t like they do, they are only loyal to their false God (not to their families), they are not fair because they show the other cheeck, and they are not kind – they only don’t dare to say their opinions because they fear to be get blamed for it.
You misunderstand me, I never said that we do not feel it (I guess it was understood because, otherwise, how do I know that it exists?), but I said that it exists, a fact that Nietzsche denies (he denies that it is a Beauty, Truth, Harmony, etc.). In fact, it is a fundamentally different perspective. The point of view of Nietzsche suggests that these feelings may be present in your genes, but there are no more valid than someone who has the contrary feelings or desires, which can also be explained (psychology, genetic, etc..). This is why it is as to defend anarchy. You can not justify the fact that your feelings and desires are more valid. This is the major difference, absolutely not the fact that we can or cannot feel the metaphysics through physical things. This is not a problem, it is only words.
How do you justify that « you have to » be honest, because you feel like that? I never said otherwise. But what is honesty? It is a metaphysical moral and creative concept. If you « are going to » be honest, the honesty is a God, you are going to an ideal, or you are creating an ideal with yourself. This is what I said in my first comment: If Nietzsche claims that it is creation when he claims “God is dead”, it is illogical, there is no creation without God. If you aspire to a concept or ideal (a God), that you feel as good or not, you are believing in a God. There is NO creation without metaphysics, and creation is in itself a metaphysical concept. Nietzsche do not want to see anything as creation, and means therefore the world is chaos. If you mean that it is a creation, then it is a direction. Chaos = no direction. And no, you will not come to me with the fact that Nietzsche is suddenly very metaphysical. Maybe he noticed that it was not so funny or deep to play rebel after all, but…
The fact that you claim that we are moral because of the harsh climate of Europe is illogical. In this case, it is exactly the opposite that would happen. Intelligence is something we can get or cultivate eventually because of the harsh climate of Europe, but not moral. This is precisely because of their morality that the naive Europeans are getting exterminated today.
But thoughts and feelings are also material, so what is the point about this? The word “metaphysics” claims that it describes something beyond physics and that means beyond nature, which leads to logical non-existance, just like in the case of the jewish “god”. Pagan morality is constituted by instincts and experience, while metaphysics can’t justify anything, because it can simply be disabled by logic (education is an other barrage of course). The “Will” in the works of Nietzsche is a concept which is against materialism, because it denies the cliam that the world is just like our senses tell us, but it is against metaphysics also, because it denies the claim that there are things beyond nature. Our senses are just to limited to understand the deepest principles of the world, but to improve our mind and sences will get us closer.
NO, the words metaphysics IS NOT beyond physics as YOU are describing. It is clear you are feeling this concepts, BUT the word metaphysics means it is CREATION towards these concepts. This is not only because it is more advisable that I am moral, but because this is what is RIGHT. Nietzsche uses exactly the opposite definition.
For example, I do not lie, because I am moral, not because if I lie, I know I’ll have to use a lot of energy to keep this lie, so I prefer not to lie (Nietzsche’s explanation, without metaphysics). I do not lie because I do not WANT TO LIE, because of the fact that, in a metaphysical point of view (that I can sense OF COURSE) I do not like this.
Nietzsche himself uses these definitions to argue the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I say… So…
Closer to what? If the world is like the senses tell us, you do not need to get closer anything. If you are getting closer, so it is metaphysics, and creation, and it is something greater beyond the physical things (that you can feel).
As I said in my first comment, maybe the problem is that Nietzsche himself is illogical…
To answer the other questions regarding Nietzsche:
When he says “heathen”, than he means “heathen”, not “atheist”. When he talks about atheists, he calls them “atheist”.
He is not against harmony, beauty and such things. His work is about the way Christians destroyed beauty and harmony (you can’t fix the problem if you don’t know the roots. Metaphysics, id est worshipping things beyond the laws of nature, is the root to this. If people would worship European nature again, there wouldn’t be any weak, inhonourable human beings anymore, because nature orders them to perish). Anything what we need it deeply hidden in us. If there was no television, people would start to hear the voices of their ancestors, their Gods, again, because they are always with us, deep in our genes.
The fact that he used both heathen and atheist do not mean that he understood heathen in another way (concerning metaphysics and/or creation).
Concerning “their Gods” please read my other comment.
Thank you for your responses.
Europeans are not getting exterminated due to their morals. They are getting exterminated because Jews tell us to love and respect everyone, instead of loving and respecting only our own race and fighting anyone who tries to destroy us. The problem is that we are extending the morality which we have in our kin to alien races. But we have to treat people differently regarding their race. European morality does not demand to let Jews live. It demands to let honourable people of our kin and race live, but people don’t know the difference between their own race and alien races anymore. That’s the problem. European morality would succeed if there wasn’t so many brainwashing. The Jews know that, thus they keep on brainwashing to prevent us from succeeding.
“The point of view of Nietzsche suggests that these feelings may be present in your genes, but there are no more valid than someone who has the contrary feelings or desires, which can also be explained (psychology, genetic, etc..). This is why it is as to defend anarchy. You can not justify the fact that your feelings and desires are more valid.”
of course you can justify your own feelings and desires as more valid, because THERE IS A LAW: The law of NATURE (depending on the climate you live in). The natural laws cannot be changed. If your morality is valid, than you will survive. If not, you will go under, as simple as that. Pagan morality is valid in Europe because it was there for hundreds of thousands of years: it is in accordance to nature. Christian morality is against the laws of nature, therefore it goes under.
Look, the law of African nature is different than the law of European nature. European nature demands intelligence and sense of honour. African nature demands dumbness and making as many children as possible. Feelings and desires are same valid only if you look at the whole world. But if you look at the different parts of the world, than you can clearly say, that pagan values are more valid than african values in Europe! And african values are more valid than European values IN AFRICA. If you declare our values to be metaphysical, so do you mean that you think you have the right to go to Africa and tell those Negroes to behave like Europeans? Its not of our business what they do there as long as they don’t set their foots on our soil, as simple as that. They aren’t even able to behave like us…
Regarding Nietzsche and his comment on lying:
You have taken that from “Human, all too human”. We have already said that his work before “Thus spoke Zarathustra” is nihilistic and HE HIMSELF SAID THAT, REHEJCTING his earlier work. I deeply disagree with his Schopenhauerian views in most of his books before “Thus spoke Zarathustra”. He had a radical change in his philosophy, and his good philosophy can only be found in the books he has written after Zarathustra.
In your words, Zarathustra is very “metaphysical”. It is an only-creative work, written in poetic language.
“God is dead” is an allegory to what happens when atheists come and declare that the JEWISH God had died. The horizon is wiped of and human doesn’t know what to do, because he hasn’t ideals anymore. Than he says, that humans have to create new ideals to replace the Jewish God who died because of compassion with the weak (= unvalid value). This new ideals have to be European ideals, European values, the values which are in accordance with the law of European nature.
Okay, I think wehave reached an impasse.
Firstly, I want to say that, in my opinion, your statement about the Law of Nature is very strange. Indeed, this law that you are defending (race, etc.., I’m on many points in your opinion) is either a metaphysical law (which may have links with the laws of nature, that is to say instincts, we agree), or you need to consider EVERYTHING that happens in the world as a coming from the law of Nature (Fortuna).
I mean that the fact that negroes are moving to Europe is also a part of the Law of Nature, that Jews push them to do it too. In this case, the Law of Nature is Fortuna. Everything is a part of the Law of nature and you should not worry about that.
The idea that black people do not survive in Europe is an aberration, because they are surviving. On a biological point of view, they can take vitamin D, for example, which is also created by human, which is himself a part of nature, etc.. If you think they are going to die, then the law of nature moves in the same direction as your will, and there is no reason to worry as you do.
If you do not agree with everything Nature is giving/doing, or if you think that your way of seeing the Nature is better than what Nature (Fortuna) is now, then you are creating a metaphysical principle. For my part, this metaphysical principle applies only to my race, that is to say, those which have the same genetic morality as me, and on the continent that belongs to him, because of natural causes, but also moral (I do not want to take the land of another race).
You asked me why we were not supporting Nietzsche, and I told you that, in my opinion, he disparaged the metaphysics (as the metaphysics of Plato, because it is the same metaphysics we are speaking about : in Plato’s philosophy you can as an individ of course sense « the metaphysical world » if you have the appropriate genes) and he preferred nihilism.
You seem to support that in Nietzsche’s philosophy and you told me that even Nietzsche accused Plato (as you compare, because of his metaphysics, and as Nietzsche was doing, to Christianity) of poisoning paganism with metaphysics.
Now you are saying that Nietzsche has changed in his life, and support metaphysics in his last works. Then I will answer your question as well:
The fact that Nietzsche has returned to metaphysics is a good thing. However I do not see why it is so important to support someone who denigrated metaphysics and prefered chaos, even if he comes to metaphysics (Plato) after that, since there are many philosophers who have dealt with metaphysics in a very deep way ; and in my humble opinion, Nietzsche did not bring anything to them. What is the point with Nietzsche if we support his philosophy BECAUSE OF his metaphysics ?!
Truth lies beyond our senses, but not beyond nature. Metaphysics postulate things which are beyond time and space and therefore non-existent.
I would like to note at this point that I’m so stubborn about this because I respect your both works very much and I’m not yet seeing the link between those and any kind of metaphysics.
No impasse, that was the clarification that we were longing for. We will answer your question about Nietzsches importance tomorrow and also explain the big confusion.
May you have a starlit night.
I’ve been busy yesterday but now I will try to explain it all:
In Germany metaphysics have allways had a strong tradition, because we have been a capital of theology since medieval times. Within the Age of Enlightenment we have still been ruled by “christian philosophy” which advocated jewish thinking and does still today. I was introduced to such thinking when I was an catholic myself and it led me to the path of asceticism and to the wish to become a pastor. And to study philosophy was no big help at all. In this christian context metaphysics means “beyond everything and untouched by time and space”. Of course I “learned” about Plato also, but he was simply used to show that “the greek wanted to become christian even before we kindly asked them to do so”. As an aftermath of this time I react a bit allergic when it comes to the term metaphysics and when you described it with terms like “immaterial” or the be “beyond physics somehow” (I’m overdoing), I was confused because I thought highly of you and still it sounded superstitious to me.
Nietzsche on the other hand was the philosopher who literally crushed my (at this time weakened, for other reasons) christian believe, by the power of his words. His implementations about the beauty of pagan society and even his hate against judeo-christianity were full of beauty and deep honesty and affected me stronger than my christian believe ever did. And that was also what led me to Varg, beause until this point he had always been presented to me as “crazy satanist murder who burned down pretty buildings, makes the shittiest metal ever and believes in nazi aliens”. And because of Nietzsche I began to ask myself if it might be a plus for Varg that the christian society talks him down.
So, I see why you are not supporting Nietzsche here, but I recall him as a strong weapon against jewish thinking.
I thank you very much for your patience and I will do my own researches about Plato and Stoa for sure.
Heil
Thank you for your answer.
Yes, I understand better now. You have a special relationship with Nietzsche, it is a very good thing. I read Nietzsche several years ago, and I have CERTAINLY not perceived the subtleties that you have collected. I understand that there is a metaphysical idea in Nietzsche’s philosophy, and I will say as before, he does not say anything new. All true philosophers are saying the same thing. In my opinion, Nietzsche was one of those who was saying the least, or worse, but you know, this is my own view, and I know that we all react differently especially to words. Nietzsche’s words does not tell me so much, but they have open your mind to what we can call “the true metaphysics”, so Nietzsche has succeeded his work. This is a very good thing.
Words are a very confused way to communicate, and all the good philosophers are saying the same thing, but they reach hearts through different paths. This shows once again how their work is usefull. Thanks to them.
Yes, I agree. I’m also quite sure that it would be important to read Nietzsche in german, because his eloquence is easily tne greatest in german philosophy and one of the greatest in german literature in general. I would mention him in the same breath with Goethe, really. And I don’t think that such is worthy translatable.
Could you tell me which philosopher Varg referred to when he called Stoa his favorit philosophy (someone on this blogg claimed that he did so)?
Seneca, Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius. These three are very, very good. We recommend.
By the way, Marcus Aurelius was very very anti-Christianity, but he was a model of morality, although he criticized the way in which Christianity anchored its so-called moral. You should start with him, you will really enjoy his book, and I guess he will “reconciles” us…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Aurelius
Thank you very much. The funny thing is that I read books about “Stoa” back then when I was catholic. Of course those where christian books and their “stoicism” can be assumed to nearly do or feel nothing anymore. Anyway, they related to Marcus Aurelius… well I will, as usuall, have to take a look myself to see how much they lied 🙂
Yes, he persecuted the Christians, then no, Stoicism does not mean “give your other cheek”…
Seneca:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Moral_letters_to_Lucilius
Epictetus is easy to find on Youtube and the web.
The Vipassana method of meditation in Buddhism is a great tool if you get serious about Stoicism, or even if you do not. Though I DO NOT recommend the Buddhist “life denial” philosophy by any means. The meditation allows you to build your concentration to the point that you have awareness of your own mind and a great deal of control if you wish; allowing you to not live “reactively” as they say, this is why some were able to burn themselves to death without flinching.
Personally, I don’t totally agree with Stoicism (it seems they were always bent on making these rules for perfection), but there is much there that is incredibly useful, and everyone should at least examine it. I often wonder what it would have evolved into had Christianity not come into the picture.
You write that Nietzsche was antisemitic, but he wasn’t. He wanted the Jews to intermarry with the European aristocracy. He also wanted a world government with a lot of Jews at the top. He also said that it was a ‘relief’ to see a Jew among Germans. He often heavily criticized antisemites. He suggested that it might be a good idea to throw the antisemites out of the country…
He realized that the Jews were mostly behind Christianity, but that doesn’t make him antisemitic.